Consider the following two WTC 7 collapse videos
- Northwest alleged CBS video (MPG) on Jim Hoffman’s WTC 7 site, shot at street level northwest of WTC 7, obtained by Jim Hoffman from “plaguepuppy,” whoever that is. Another copy (WMV) and a slow-motion zoom version (WMV) on What Really Happened.
- Northeast privately-made video (WMV) on What Really Happened, shot from a window of a nearby building northeast of WTC 7.
To my admittedly untrained eye, these two videos look too different from each other for both of them to be genuine, unaltered recordings of the exact same event from different angles.
Why this is important: The northeast video, if genuine, substantially weakens the “symmetry of collapse” argument regarding WTC 7. Hence, if the genuineness of the northwest video can be established, and if the incompatibility I percieve turns out to be valid, we can thereby disprove an important piece of alleged evidence against the “symmetry of collapse” argument.
The northeast video shows WTC 7 leaning toward the southeast, at what looks to me like a 9 to 10 degree angle. How much this weakens the “symmetry of collapse” argument depends on how you interpret and justify that argument, but it does weaken that particular argument to at least some extent. (See my post Review of Hardfire debates between Mark Roberts and Loose Change crew and the comment thread below it.)
But that’s not the major incompatibility between the two videos. A 9 to 10 degree lean toward the southeast would naturally be hard to see in a video shot from the northwest.
Why the videos seem incompatible
The major incompatibility is that, in the mortheast video, a large vertical split seems to appear in the building as it falls. The northwest corner appears to split away from the rest of the building, so much so that it looked to me like a separate building when I first saw a still photo from this video.
It seems to me that such a split should be visible in the northwest video too. While we might not see the vertical split itself directly, one would expect it to show up as a major irregularity at the roofline, given that the northwest video was shot from ground level.
But it doesn’t. In the northwest video, the only major irregularity I see in the roofline is from the crimp that appeared on the east side before the building fell.
Admittedly, the northwest video shows only the beginning of the collapse. The latter part is obscured by surrounding buildings. On the other hand, the northeast video, shot from a higher perspective, shows us more of the latter part of the collapse. And the vertical split widens as the building descends. So perhaps the split just wasn’t big enough, early enough in the collapse, to be visible in the portion of the collapse shown by the northwest video?
Not likely. In the northeast video, it looks to me like the split is well underway well before the roofline of WTC 7 has descended to a level that could be hidden, in the northwest video, by the white building that can be seen on the right in the northeast video and on the left in the northwest video.
So, it doesn’t seem likely to me that both videos are fully genuine. If I am correct about the incompatibility above, then at least one of the videos must have been, at the very least, jazzed up a little.
To those willing and able to research this issue further
I’m not in a good position to do research on videos.
But it would be desirable if someone in the 9/11 Truth movement could try to verify and prove the genuineness of the northwest video. Supposedly it was shown on CBS, according to “plaguepuppy,” as reported by Jim Hoffman. Was it, in fact, shown on CBS? If so, it should be possible to prove that, I would hope.
On the other hand, perhaps some “debunker” might want to track down a chain of custody for the northeast video.
It would also be desirable to see other corroborating evidence for the seemingly incompatible phenomena portrayed in the two videos.
In the meantime:
I’ll be posting about this in some 9/11 Truth forums. It would also be nice if someone from JREF could call attention to this post over there (preferably in this thread, to which this post is relevant, both because that JREF thread is about me and because the northeast video is discussed there too).
I’ll also be adding parenthesized P.S.’s to a couple of old posts of mine that feature the symmetry-of-collapse argument.
P.S.: I’ve posted about this matter in the following 9/11 Truth movement forums:
I’ve written the promised P.S.’s to the following posts on my blog:
- Straight-down collapse of WTC 7 – what do “debunkers” say?
- Demolition of WTC: Let’s not overstate the case, please, section titled WTC 7: A very simple, genuinely strong argument
And I’ve emailed Jim Hoffman about this matter. Hopefully I will hear from him. In the meantime, I would be interested to hear anything anyone else knows about the two videos and their origins and history.
Again, I would appreciate it very much if someone could link to this post in this thread about me in the JREF forum. (That JREF thread also contains a link to a longer YouTube version of the northeast video.)