New York City activist

January 13, 2008

To the “blame Israel” crowd: Put up or shut up

Filed under: 9/11,9/11 Truth,anti-Semitism,Israel,Jew-haters — Diane @ 5:26 pm

In a post in the Truth Action forum, John Doraemi has written the following, in reply to someone who blames people in the government of Israel for the 9/11 attacks:

You overstate your case by implying that only Israelis were involved. That’s not proven in any way, shape or form. We actually don’t know much about the Israelis’ relationship to the operation.

I have suggested highly relevant FOIA requests to make to the Port Authority regarding Urban Moving Systems and the van full of explosives reported at the GW bridge.

No one. Not one person using their real name will file the FOIAs.

I ain’t gonna do it.

If you know a “real” truther who has the guts to put up, here’s what I have come up with:

Kathy P. Bincoletto
Freedom of Information Administrator
Office of the Secretary
Port Authority of NY & NJ
225 Park Avenue South – 17th Fl.
New York, NY 10003
Tel. (212) 435-2542
Fax (212) 435-7555
email: kbincoletto@panynj.gov

1) All traffic stops involving the George Washington Bridge detail on September 11th 2001 both near or on the bridge including the multiple roads leading to the GW Bridge locally in Fort Lee NJ and on routes: 46, 80, 95, and the Palisades Parkway.

2) Any and all police records from 9/11/01 related to men stopped or arrested in a van.

3) Any and all police records from September to December 2001 which mention “Urban Moving Systems.”

4) Any security situation or warnings issued concerning the George Washington Bridge on 9/11/01, including closures, and the details and duration of this closure.

5) Any records of contact with the Federal Bureau of Investigation on 9/11/01 or 9/12/01.

6) Any contact/liason with any bomb squad officers on 9/11/01 or 9/12/01.

7) Any contact/liason with local Fort Lee police on 9/11/01 or 9/12/01.

9) Any contact/liason with other federal agencies including Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, the Department of Justice or the Secret Service on 9/11/01 or 9/12/01.

10) Any contact/liason with the police commissioner of New York City or the NYC Mayor’s Office on 9/11/01 or 9/12/01.

Welcome to the FBI’s FOIA Website
http://foia.fbi.gov/

You know, RT, this would actually make your case if they have left incriminating evidence in those files. I guess we’ll never know?

I personally don’t take a position on whether anyone in the Israeli government was involved in the 9/11 attacks. But I am very concerned about the following:

If indeed it should turn out that anyone in the Israeli government was involved, there will, alas, be all too many people who will use this to try to stir up hatred of Jews in general. In the meantime, fear of the latter possibility seems to be a major reason why a lot of Jews are afraid of the 9/11 Truth movement in general. For that reason, I think it’s important for us not just to disclaim bigotry against Jews, but to show that we care about opposing bigotry of all kinds, including bigotry against Jews. (See my various posts on Jew-haters, especially Taking responsibility for counteracting bigotry in our midst and Please do NOT trust Eustace Mullins as an authority on the Federal Reserve System!.)

Anyhow, I haven’t been online much these past several days. I’ve been outside, taking advantage of the recent nice weather to do some street actions. But it will be snowing tonight and tomorrow, so I will probably have time to post something substantial here tomorrow.

P.S., 1/19/2008: John Doraemi has more to say about the preliminary evidence of Israeli foreknowledge in the Truth Action thread “Progressive” Censorship: Banned Again….

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2 Comments »

  1. Perhaps you’ll title your entry tomorrow something like “The blame Arabs/Muslims crowd: put up or shut up.” Have you followed the situation in Pakistan? Can you see that what many of us have called laying the groundwork for the patsyfication of Pakistan may now be employed with a vengeance? Let’s say the current regime decides to start another war — might be hard to get popular support, yes? Well, what if the ISI porkchop-money transfer suddenly comes to light? Oh my god — Pakistan funded the 9/11 attacks! What, you say? Wasn’t mentioned in the Commission Report? Need a new investigation? Well, we now know that there were MAJOR problems with the Commission, such as in their ability to elicit cooperation from agencies like the CIA. That’s too bad. But now we’re AT WAR! We have no time for divisiveness, finger-pointing, and blame assigning. We must unite in a great and glorious battle against al Qaeda!

    Comment by casseia — January 14, 2008 @ 3:25 am | Reply

  2. Although either the Bush administration or the next administration (assuming there is a next administration) could try to spin Sibel Edmonds’ testimony as justification for a war against either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, I think this would be unlikely to serve as very effective war propaganda, for the following reasons:

    1) The U.S. public is already pretty thoroughly sick of war. Afghanistan, Iraq, now threatening Iran, and then yet another war?

    2) Sibel Edmonds’ testimony clearly points to treason within the U.S. government as the main problem. Obviously what’s needed is a roundup of the traitors – plus a roundup of spies from various other countries too, including Israel, as well as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    3) To the extent that foreign governments are implicated in Sibel Edmonds’ testimony, quite a few different governments are implicated, most of them ostensible U.S. allies. Obviously the U.S. can’t go to war against all of them. But, also, it would be glaringly illogical to single out any one of these governments for sufficient blame to justify yet another war, when what’s obviously needed is a roundup of spies from and traitors to many different governments.

    If our government ever did decide to go war against either Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, it would be necessary to cook up some other excuse in addition to Sibel Edmonds’s testimony.

    I also think that the U.S. government is unlikely to attempt war with either Saudi Arabia or Pakistan in the first place, due to the very coziness which seems to have been part of the cause of the problem. This coziness doesn’t guarantee that there will be no war with these countries (after all, Saddam Hussein was once a U.S. ally too), but does make a war relatively unlikely.

    A more likely undesirable consequence of Sibel Edmonds’s testimony would be yet another popular wave of blanket prejudice against Arabs and South Asians, as well as against Jews. In my opinion, we should be prepared to denounce and critique any such popular wave of bigotry.

    Comment by Diane — January 14, 2008 @ 6:11 pm | Reply


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